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Mervi: /* Titles and surnames */ moved expect for Lord Golden

2006-05-09T19:30:52Z

‎Titles and surnames: moved expect for Lord Golden

Mervi at 19:00, 8 May 2006

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Sini at 16:10, 7 May 2006

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Sini at 19:42, 6 May 2006

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Mervi: dilemma of the titles, please comment! :)

2006-05-06T13:56:54Z

dilemma of the titles, please comment! :)

Voici at 13:38, 3 May 2006

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Mervi at 20:21, 2 May 2006

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Voici at 20:10, 2 May 2006

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Are we using English spelling, or American? 'cause I was begining to wonder... [[User:Voici|Voici]] 23:10, 2 May 2006 (EEST)

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	:: Thanks for your input, there were several things I hadn't thought of, like the fact that Haven isn't a Trader name. I wish I had taken time to think more about the titles and such when I started. sigh I'll go through the ones we have already listed ASAP and change the titles to what you suggested. [[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 22:00, 8 May 2006 (EEST)		:: Thanks for your input, there were several things I hadn't thought of, like the fact that Haven isn't a Trader name. I wish I had taken time to think more about the titles and such when I started. sigh I'll go through the ones we have already listed ASAP and change the titles to what you suggested. [[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 22:00, 8 May 2006 (EEST)
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		+	::: I've made the moves now, except for Lord Golden. I just can't decide what to do there. To me, the "Lord" in that name seems as essential part of it as "the" is in the Fool. For that reason it isn't listed as ''Fool, the'' although techinacally it should be, I guess. [[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 22:30, 9 May 2006 (EEST)

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	But you're the boss ;) --[[User:Sini\|Sini]] 19:10, 7 May 2006 (EEST)		But you're the boss ;) --[[User:Sini\|Sini]] 19:10, 7 May 2006 (EEST)
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		+	:: Thanks for your input, there were several things I hadn't thought of, like the fact that Haven isn't a Trader name. I wish I had taken time to think more about the titles and such when I started. sigh I'll go through the ones we have already listed ASAP and change the titles to what you suggested. [[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 22:00, 8 May 2006 (EEST)

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	[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 16:56, 6 May 2006 (EEST)		[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 16:56, 6 May 2006 (EEST)
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		+	: I'm for this "Anxony (lady)", "Anxony (lord") system. But no, we don't need to go around adding titles to those that we know the whole name. Only those who could be confused with something else. And as for ladies like Calendula, I would only mention the "lady" in the article. I think most of those are first names. As for Patience, I think that she is lady Patience Farseer, n√©e Oakdell. I think Averia was her mother's first name.
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		+	As for Vestrit / Haven confusion, Havens aren't a Trader family. I think that is why Keffria & co keep the Vestrit name.
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		+	But you're the boss ;) --[[User:Sini\|Sini]] 19:10, 7 May 2006 (EEST)

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 : I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)
 :: I prefer the english spelling, but I am given to understand that this can annoy or confuse people, but we can deal with it as it comes I guess. [[User:Voici|Voici]] 16:38, 3 May 2006 (EEST)
 ==Titles and surnames==

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	: I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)		: I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)
	:: I prefer the english spelling, but I am given to understand that this can annoy or confuse people, but we can deal with it as it comes I guess. [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 16:38, 3 May 2006 (EEST)		:: I prefer the english spelling, but I am given to understand that this can annoy or confuse people, but we can deal with it as it comes I guess. [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 16:38, 3 May 2006 (EEST)
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		+	==Titles and surnames==
		+	About the titles (lady, prince etc). The reason that I made the rule "do not add titles to article names unless..." was that I started with ''Homecoming'', and many of the lords and the ladies in it share a name, but also a have a first name (but in many cases we don't know it). For example Marthi Duparge and Lord Duparge. Also the case of Carillion Carrock (n√©e Waljin) suggests that women took their husband's name when they wed. However, the case in Bingtown is a bit more confusing: Malta, Wintrow, Selden and even Keffria either claim to be or are referred to as "Vestrits" despite the fact that techinically they are all Haven. Ronica (n√©e Carrock) on the other hand is always mentioned by her husband's name Vestrit. In any case, it seems to be clear that in Jamaillia and in Bingtown people have a firstname + a surname. Pirates and other "lower class folk" seem to have a first name only. That's why I thought it was reasonable NOT to include lord/lady in the title unless we don't know the first name which makes it impossible to separate (lord) Duparge from the possible Duparge family article.
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		+	However, in Six Duchies the name customs seem to be mixed. Patience is daugther of lady Averia and lord Oakdell, but then we also have Sydel Greyling who is daughter of Lord G and lady G. (And then we have Tagsson, who is son of Tag who is son of Reever. sigh) But lets talk about the nobility: according to the naming tradition, Patience is clearly a first name. Does she have a surname? Would it be Oakdell, or Farseer? Did lady Averia keep her name (if it is a surname, and not a first) when she married? The case of Greylings (and of Bresingas) indicates that the surnames come from husband/father. I'm confused.
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		+	So, finally my real question: what should we do with the Buckkeep ladies? There's "Lady Calendula", "Lady Heliotrophe", "Lady Trift" and so on. Should we add the Lady to the article name, or keep listing them as Calendula, and only mentioning "lady" in the article? Ladies Celerity, Faith etc are already listed without the lady part. If we do list of the ladies and lords with their title, the index for L will probably be the largest alphabet category. :/ Or, should we change these to "Anxony (lady)", "Anxony (lord") etc? Should we then add the title to all the possible articles, like "Dutiful (prince)"?
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		+	The ladies we have listed so far:
		+	* Lady Anxony (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lady Bresinga (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lady Crifton (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lady Elegance (no good reason)
		+	* Lady Grayling (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lady Jerrit (no good reason)
		+	* Lady Thyme (no good reason, except it just felt right :/)
		+	* Lady Winsome (to avoid confusion with a liveship of the same name)
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		+	The lords we have listed so far:
		+	* Lord Anxony (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lord Bresinga (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lord Crias (no good reason)
		+	* Lord Crifton (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lord Duparge (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lord Golden (I think in this case it's part of the name like "the" in "the Fool")
		+	* Lord Grayling (to avoid confusion with family article)
		+	* Lord Jerrit (no good reason)
		+	* Lord Sitswell (to avoid confusion with a soldier of the same name)
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		+	[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 16:56, 6 May 2006 (EEST)

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	Are we using English spelling, or American? 'cause I was begining to wonder... [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 23:10, 2 May 2006 (EEST)		Are we using English spelling, or American? 'cause I was begining to wonder... [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 23:10, 2 May 2006 (EEST)
	: I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)		: I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)
		+	:: I prefer the english spelling, but I am given to understand that this can annoy or confuse people, but we can deal with it as it comes I guess. [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 16:38, 3 May 2006 (EEST)

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	Are we using English spelling, or American? 'cause I was begining to wonder... [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 23:10, 2 May 2006 (EEST)		Are we using English spelling, or American? 'cause I was begining to wonder... [[User:Voici\|Voici]] 23:10, 2 May 2006 (EEST)
		+	: I doesn't matter to me, as I'm not a native English speaker but I do understand if this is something that bothers people. I often choose the British spelling in overall, and here especially because my books are the UK editions. --[[User:Mervi\|Mervi]] 23:21, 2 May 2006 (EEST)